Legislature(2013 - 2014)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/16/2014 01:30 PM Senate FINANCE


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+= HB 278 EDUCATION TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ HB 385 PERS/TRS STATE CONTRIBUTIONS TELECONFERENCED
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+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
= HB 379 OIL & GAS PROPERTY TAX
Heard & Held
= SB 220 PERS/TRS STATE CONTRIBUTIONS
Heard & Held
= HB 308 ALASKA SECURITIES ACT EXEMPTIONS
Heard & Held
= HB 361 LICENSING OF BEHAVIOR ANALYSTS
Heard & Held
= HB 160 LICENSING OF ATHLETIC TRAINERS
Heard & Held
= SB 48 PERS CONTRIBUTIONS BY MUNICIPALITIES
Heard & Held
= HB 116 PERS CREDIT FOR MILITARY SERVICE
Moved CSHB 116(L&C) Out of Committee
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 116(L&C)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating  to the  use  of  credited  military                                                                    
     service by  retired peace officers and  firefighters to                                                                    
     meet certain  requirements for major  medical insurance                                                                    
     coverage; and providing for an effective date."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:29:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHY  LEA, CHIEF  PENSION OFFICER,  DIVISION OF  RETIREMENT                                                                    
AND  BENEFITS,  DEPARTMENT   OF  ADMINISTRATION,  introduced                                                                    
herself.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
VASILIOS GIALOPSOS,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE  CHARISSE MILLET,                                                                    
explained  the  legislation.  He  announced  that  Honorably                                                                    
discharged  members of  our  nations'  military service  who                                                                    
come to work  for the State of Alaska  are currently allowed                                                                    
to  purchase  qualifying time  within  the  PERS system  for                                                                    
their  previous military  service. Under  current law,  this                                                                    
purchased  time may  not  be used  to  satisfy the  credited                                                                    
service requirements  for normal retirement.  This exemption                                                                    
precludes  persons  from  using   their  purchased  time  to                                                                    
qualify  for health  care  benefits. He  state  that HB  116                                                                    
proposes that  peace officers or firefighters  be allowed to                                                                    
use the  time they  purchase for normal  retirement. Already                                                                    
these  brave individuals  have  served  their country.  They                                                                    
have then made  a career providing public  safety and rescue                                                                    
in  one of  the most  hazardous working  environments to  be                                                                    
found.  Their service  to others,  by placing  themselves in                                                                    
harm's way  on a  continuous basis, merits  consideration in                                                                    
the development  of Alaska's retirement and  benefit system.                                                                    
He  announced  that  HB  116  makes  a  minor,  and  tightly                                                                    
tailored,  modification to  our retirement  laws to  allow a                                                                    
person to use their purchased  service to qualify for normal                                                                    
retirement  benefits. The  intent of  HB 116  is that  peace                                                                    
officers or firefighters who choose  to purchase the service                                                                    
time  bear  the  cost  to  the  state  that  the  additional                                                                    
benefits  will create.  He  stated that  HB  116 creates  an                                                                    
appropriate recognition  of their  service to  their country                                                                    
and their  state by ensuring  the have a fair  retirement in                                                                    
their future.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  queried the  length of time  it takes                                                                    
for  a   firefighter  or  police  officer   to  qualify  for                                                                    
benefits.  Ms.   Lea  replied  that  a   police  officer  or                                                                    
firefighter could reach  eligibility for retirement benefits                                                                    
with 20 years  of service; but they needed to  have 25 years                                                                    
of service to have system-paid  medical coverage if they are                                                                    
in tiers 2 or 3.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  remarked that  there was  a disparity                                                                    
between what was  required to acquire a  pension and medical                                                                    
coverage in tiers  2 and 3. Ms. Lea agreed,  and stated that                                                                    
the  five  extra  years was  required  to  gain  system-paid                                                                    
premium health  care. She  stated that  there was  access to                                                                    
health care,  but they must  have five extra years  in order                                                                    
for the system to pay for the premiums.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough wondered  if  an honorable  discharge                                                                    
was recognized under military service.  Ms. Lea replied that                                                                    
the military service required an honorable discharge.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer   wondered  if  Vice-Chair   Fairclough  was                                                                    
concerned about "double dipping."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:33:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  stressed that  she was  attempting to                                                                    
determine  what  benefit would  be  achieved,  and what  the                                                                    
individual was currently receiving.  She stressed that there                                                                    
was a  25 percent buy back  over 20 years, and  a 25 percent                                                                    
buyback with  the 25 year  requirement. She  understood that                                                                    
there  was an  actuarially draw  for the  pension, but  felt                                                                    
that  there was  a possible  allowance for  double benefits.                                                                    
Ms. Lea  replied that she could  not speak to the  intent of                                                                    
the  legislation.   She  announced  that  there   were  some                                                                    
restrictions within  the system for claiming  benefits under                                                                    
the  military  category, if  one  was  already eligible  for                                                                    
retirement benefits  from one's  military service.  A person                                                                    
with 20 years  of military service that would  qualify for a                                                                    
federal benefit  could not  claim the  service if  they were                                                                    
tier 2  or 3. She  furthered that  she was unsure  about the                                                                    
health care benefits related to that issue.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Gialopsos looked at AS 39.35.340(a):                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     A vested  employee is entitled to  credited service for                                                                    
     active  military service  in  the armed  forces of  the                                                                    
     United States,  either by  enlistment or  induction, if                                                                    
     the employee received a  discharge under conditions and                                                                    
     was not  entitled to  receive retirement  benefits from                                                                    
    the United States government for the same service.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson wondered what efforts  were being made for the                                                                    
tier  4 employees.  Mr.  Gialopsos  responded that,  because                                                                    
tier 4 was a defined  contribution system, the provisions of                                                                    
health care  after a person left  service were fundamentally                                                                    
different.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lea  agreed with  Mr.  Gialopsos,  and furthered  that,                                                                    
under tier 4, there were no  provisions to claim any type of                                                                    
service in the plan. There  were no predications on years of                                                                    
service  to claim  service. A  tier 4  employee must  retire                                                                    
directly  from the  plan, must  have  at least  10 years  of                                                                    
service, and be Medicare  age eligible to receive retirement                                                                    
health coverage.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  stated that,  usually, when  a policy                                                                    
or  bill   was  considered,   the  reason  was   because  an                                                                    
individual  was adversely  affected. She  wondered if  there                                                                    
was   an  adversely   affected  individual   who  may   have                                                                    
influenced the  drafting of the bill.  Mr. Gialopsos replied                                                                    
that there were several  peace officers and firefighters who                                                                    
purchased their military time, under  the assumption that it                                                                    
would bring them full retirement.  He stated that there were                                                                    
several letters of support who  were looking to retire early                                                                    
that  would like  to purchase  their  medical time,  because                                                                    
they  recognized  that  they   were  a  liability  to  their                                                                    
colleagues because of their age.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:38:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough asked  if  the individual's  payments                                                                    
into the plan would count  toward their health benefits. Ms.                                                                    
Lea replied that those were  two different calculations. The                                                                    
calculation to  use military service to  increase the number                                                                    
of  years of  service to  increase their  retirement benefit                                                                    
was partially subsidized  by the employer, so it  was a flat                                                                    
percentage  of their  vesting year  salary. The  legislation                                                                    
outlined an additional  cost, if the member  wanted to claim                                                                    
it for pension purposes and health care services.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough wondered if  there would be a negative                                                                    
impact to  those that  were already  in the  system, because                                                                    
there  was a  change  to the  cost of  the  system. Ms.  Lea                                                                    
replied that  there would be  no impact on the  remainder of                                                                    
the  population in  the system,  because the  claimant would                                                                    
pay the full cost for the coverage.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough surmised  that the  calculations were                                                                    
based on a certain set of assumptions. Ms. Lea agreed.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop queried the cost  of the full five years. Ms.                                                                    
Lea replied that the cost  would be approximately $60,000 to                                                                    
$70,000,  depending on  age,  circumstances,  and number  of                                                                    
years purchased.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  wondered what other categories  under tiers                                                                    
2 and  3 could  be a  net zero. Ms.  Lea replied  that there                                                                    
were other types  of claim service that  were full actuarial                                                                    
costs. She  stated that purchasing  temporary service  to be                                                                    
used for retirement eligibility  already existed in statute.                                                                    
She stated that the legislation  was similar to the statute,                                                                    
and furthered that  there was a public  service benefit that                                                                    
was full actuarial cost.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman surmised  that all  other programs  already                                                                    
had  the option  to  purchase in  tiers 2  and  3 for  other                                                                    
categories  of  20  and  30   years  for  buyback.  Ms.  Lea                                                                    
responded  that  all  others   did  not  have  the  specific                                                                    
provision to purchase military time  to be used toward their                                                                    
30 year retirement.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  wondered why other positions  or categories                                                                    
of employment  were not offered  the option to  purchase the                                                                    
time for  a 30 year  retirement, if it  was a net  zero. Mr.                                                                    
Gialopsos replied that  it was the sponsor's  intent to look                                                                    
at a particular  segment within tiers 2 and 3,  who post the                                                                    
highest   risk  in   the  actuarial   pool.  He   could  not                                                                    
specifically address  the reasons why it  would not directly                                                                    
apply to the purchase of a 30 year retirement.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:44:48 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:46:11 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer CLOSED public testimony                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  MOVED to REPORT CSHB  116(L&C) out of                                                                    
committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSHB  116(L&C) was  REPORTED  out of  committee  with a  "do                                                                    
pass"  recommendation  and  with previously  published  zero                                                                    
fiscal note: FN1(ADM).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:47:07 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:48:39 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer handed the gavel to Vice-Chair Fairclough.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                

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HB278 School Funding Ltr 4-15-14.pdf SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 BSA increase please - Landry.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Increase the BSA - Remick.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Senate Finance Committee - Brown.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please support increased education funding - Crimp.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 A rural perspective about our funding challenges - Walsh.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Request for Funding - Fischer.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
Hb278 BSA - Schafer - Mozen.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Testimony on HB278 BSA Increase - Boyle.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 BSA - Campell.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 To Senate Finance Committee Members -- Please support our public schools Increase BSA by $400$125$125 - Wiggin.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 base student allocation - Crane.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please Support School Funding - Woern.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 - Please support our schools! - Wittrock.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Fund public schools with $400 BSA - Pease.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 TVEP Public Testimony - Reynolds.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 AWIB - CTE Programs RTC List - Reynolds.pdf SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 BSA URGENT - Tague.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Don't stop public school funding - Olnes.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 School allocations - Shewman.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Increase the BSA - Glenn.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 BSA - Johnson.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 FCC Scool and Libray Policy Brief.pdf SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 FCC changes to Universal Service Reform for the e-rate program - FCC-13-100A1.docx SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Fully fund our schools - please - Burch.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 A thru F grading of schools -- Keep it! - Boyle.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 AASA Testimony.pdf SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 A-F Grading provision in HB 278 - Griffin.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 A thru F grading of schools -- Keep it! - Boyle2.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 school funding plea! - Reed.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Public Schools - Norton.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Increase BSA please - Engh.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please increase the BSA and avoid more layoffs! - Shellenbaum.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Increase the BSA - Zafren.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 INCREASE BSA - Decker.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please Support our Educational Discourse Fund our Schools - Waisanen.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Raise the BSA $600 effective FY15. Show us the money. - Bronson.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Base student allocation - Retus.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Education Funding - Raise BSA - Buss.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Funding public education - Wiggin.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Support Alaska's Students - Bivins.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 School Funding - Gal.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 School Funding - Cramer.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Education matters! - Harmon.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please support our public schools! - Perrins.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 school funding - Kushin.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Student Base Allocation and Susitna Dam - Pierce.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please help the Alaska kids - Cedano.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please prioritize education for all Alaskans - Manning.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Fully fund schools - Richotte.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please increase the BSA by $400 AND $125 for the next 2 years - Boots.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please support our Alaska schools - Nash.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 BSA Adjustment - Sparrow.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Education funding - Meidinger.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 District School Deficit in Delta Junction - Becker.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB 385-Funding Public Testimony - Dean.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 385
HB278 My kids can't wait. They are in school now! - Rardin.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
Hb278 BSA - Schafer - Mozen.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Request for Funding - Fischer.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please support increased education funding - Crimp.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 A rural perspective about our funding challenges - Walsh.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Request for Funding - Fischer.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 A rural perspective about our funding challenges - Walsh.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please support increased education funding - Crimp.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Senate Finance Committee - Brown.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 AFN BSA resolution.pdf SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Increase the Base Student Allocation - Spohnholz.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Public Testimony - Rutherford.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Our Students Our Future - Story.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Juneau Board of Education Resolution.docx SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Raise the BSA 400125125 - Eubanks.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Education Funding - Curran.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please increase the BSA and prioritize education funding - Manning.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 PLEASE INCREASE THE BSA! - Wijtalewicz.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Comments on Senate Bill 278 - Lambert.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please support an increase to the BSA - Richards.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Please increase BSA - Brubaker.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278
HB278 Support for our Schools - Cordano.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 278